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My Bad, Forgive Me . . .

Journal Entry: Fri Jul 15, 2016, 3:02 PM

. . . For being a grown-up!


From comment on FF.net on A Perfect Pet for Donnie:

Reader:

I love this story!
but I hated the bullying ):(
Raphael was being so mean! If I were there I would give him one spanking he would not forget.
Now Donnie's got some new pets :3
*laughing so hard* Raph got what was coming to him! XD XD XD XD XD
fear of cockroaches, classic (though I forgot what the phobia name for it is)
Thank you for the story you made, keep up the good work!

 

Hummer:

Thank you so much! Raph was being a real d***, he totally deserved that payback. XD Fear of cockroaches is Katsaridaphobia. Raph's got it bad. :-D

 

Reader:

Thank you and your welcome :3
By the way, might I ask you to refrain from using curse words, I don't feel comfortable about it
sure I can Tolerate it for some time, but it bothers me

If it's not to much trouble that is
and by the way, if you want to chat sometime, my doors always open

And yes, I absolutely love that episode from TMNT 2012, that cockroach episode. I was laughing my face off XD XD XD XD

 

Hummer:

Sorry, didn't even realize that was considered a curse word. It's just a descriptive way to say someone was being nasty to someone else. It wasn't a four letter word, though the asterisks make it appear that way.

 

Reader:

I forgive you
no real harm done
but please be aware next time

So do you have any plans for another story?


By the way, the word I used was “Douche”, the informal North American meaning being an obnoxious or contemptible person, typically a man”.

I don’t know about everyone else, but the main reason I write is because I enjoy the creative outlet.  It is relaxing, it is energizing, and it stimulates my brain.  I learn something with nearly every story I write.  I do research and I enjoy it.

My primary reason for posting the things I write is because I love to interact with other members of the fandom.  I do that through your comments.  I have found over the years that you guys are funny, intelligent, thoughtful, charismatic, creative, enlightened, and my favorite – wonderfully witty.

Only a small percentage of the people I meet in real life are any of those things.  They don’t energize me the way you folks do.

I have talked to people from all over the world, learned things about other cultures, and exchanged useful tips.  And I’ve made friends; people I chat with and been chatting with for years, people I create with, bare my soul to – people I feel honored to know even though I’ve never come face to face with them.

People like MomoRawrr, babygirl127, orangebarmy, Grubus, ashitarimai, MsObscure, BakaMeganekko, ChiakiAngel, Blackdragon-sama, Sherenelle, Teratophelia, FoxKids1302, KameChuu, Dragona15, NeatTea, ScoopGirl and sneefee, to name a few.

There are many others who I’m getting to know and the process of learning about them is invigorating.  Thanks to Skype and a couple of chat groups, I’m being introduced to long time members of the fandom whom I’ve never really talked to before, and I’m loving the opportunity.

Before anyone starts to think I’ve gone completely off topic from where this journal began, I really do have a point to make.  I’m an adult.  I say adult things.  For the most part, I write about adult topics.  I use adult language – including curse words.  When I’m around kids I never curse.  When I’m online, I talk like myself because I have no idea if I’m replying to someone who is underage or who might be offended.

The reader who left the above message fusses at me for cursing (and applying that term to the word I used is questionable), then asks to chat with me.  Are you kidding?  Why would I subject myself to a conversation where I’d have to watch every word I said and basically not be myself?

People sometimes wonder why psychology fascinates me so much.  This was a pretty good example.  I could spend my whole life studying the subject and still never figure people out.



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Koalagriton Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016
This comment makes no sense when 90% of what you write is adult. I mean, I'm sure she reads adult words in your stuff all the time, right?
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2016
Maybe she only reads me on FF.net where I don't post explicit stuff, but still... in most of my work Raph curses like a sailor.  Unless she only reads the G rated stuff which has no cursing at all and doesn't notice that I've posted a bazillion other stories with higher ratings. You got me, I'm still trying to figure that one out. :shrug:
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Dragona15 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm probably late, but all I can get out of that person is that they are fucking manipulative and love to guilt trip you with lameass excuses such as "Oh, you're making me uncomfortable, but I forgive you because I am such a kind person ha ha ha. Btw, you have to listen to me and bend over to fit what is convenient to me, smiley face, let's be friends hihihi."

Honestly, don't even waste your precious time and good mental health with trash.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2016
But they were being so magnanimous by forgiving me, I should feel honored and chat with them!Eye Roll  Yeah, the entirety of my 'chat' ended right there. It was an interesting glance into human nature though.
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Dragona15 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This reply to my comment offends me!! I demand some form of compensation for my flowery feelings D:

The one human nature that never ceases to surprise me the most is how one becomes so desperate to the point they use manipulative and forceful means to get someone they are interested in to talk back to you.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2016
'Desperate' being the operative word.  Here, have a flower for those flowery feelings Flower 
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Sherenelle Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That was indeed a really good example!
This is something I really don't understand; some people want that we change for them that they feel comfortable; I learned to say to those people my honest opinion and that they can go their way but WITHOUT me! I changed so much in my life for people only to be accepted but in the end it was always the same: it was better to be myself!

But I have to say it's always wonderful to see how you enjoy the interactions with the fandom-members and I'm proud to be a part of it! :love: Even if I can't use words like you do, I think I can say many things through my pictures and it reaches you every time! :heart:
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016
When I get messages like the one above, I just have to share them.  People expect that they can snap their fingers and force others to conform to things the way they want them to be, instead of understanding that all kinds of people make up the world and they should learn tolerance.

I do love interacting with the fandom, it makes me feel very alive to communicate with such lovely, intelligent people.  Your images say wonderful things to me - they are as emotionally fulfilling as thousands of words would be. Pooh Blowkiss 
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Sherenelle Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with you - too bad that there are too much of this kind of people... :/

You are one of those who are very present in the fandom. I admire your effort and the time you spend for it. :)
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BakaMeganekko Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
We need to chat more! I love having conversations with you. You are such an awesome and talented friend :tighthug: :heart: 

Is this person a kid? I mean, how can you feel uncomfortable with curse words. As an adult you hear them almost everyday and we say them as well every now and then. They are even in movies and books! 
By the way, since when is Douche a bad word. Is it a bad word in another country? Like what happens in latin america where the same word may have different meaning depending on the country.
It is fun that this person wanted to chat with you :D It must be really odd chatting with him/her and having to watch your words at all time. 
 
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016
It's always hard when your friends are in different times zones, but we shall find a way. moomin-hug 

I'm thinking this person must be young and not yet have an understanding of how the world works.  They say a lot worse words than 'douche' on TV shows and even some cartoons! I'm wondering if they want to chat because they don't have anyone else to talk to. They've probably fussed at everyone they've encountered in the internet and now everyone avoids them.
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MsMarvelDuckie Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, I'd think it is the opposite- they may be from an older (and more conservative) generation that considers it crude and repugnant speech. My grandmother is a lot like that. She doesn't like cursing of any kind. Quite possibly the person is older, and maybe a very "religious" person as well. Still silly to harp on it, though.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2016
If she's religious she wouldn't be reading my fan works. I suppose that's why I consider it a bit hypocritical.
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MsMarvelDuckie Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
You'd be surprised. Some "religious" folks seem to have some rather "naughty" hobbies, LOL!! But yeah, still pretty hypocritical in any case.
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dsam121 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
Honestly, I think your a terrific writer and you place the curse word so perfectly they give the right element of drama. People in the real world curse when shit happens, hell people curse for no reason at all. Ratings exist for a reason dear reader, if you cant handle big people words stick to PG stuff. the writer is free to express their story in whatever words they find suiting. Curse words or not.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
Thank you! :heart: I don't know if this person lives in a protective bubble, but real life is going to be a shock to them. Take a walk through a mall and you'll hear forty curse words in fifteen minutes.  I'll bet they aren't rude enough to stop every person and ask them not to curse. :XD:
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babygirl127 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
That so would have rubbed me the wrong way. I would tried to be polite but would have let them know that, "no I will not change the way I speak when I am talking in regards to my own story, I was not attacking anyone and therefore won't change how I reply to my own writing" or something along those lines. This is a case where you have more patience than I would.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I've learned the hard way that a couple of polite words gets rid of them faster. As much as I'd like to be snarky, that would just make them defensive and an argument would ensue - because they are obviously not polite enough to let it go. I'm certainly not going to 'chat' with them.
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Keras-Lucar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I saw other writers using this word as well and I didn't feel very offended by it. But maybe I don't care so much about it because I'm from Germany (means different culture not that we curse like sailors. ;)) or because of the work I'd done a couple of years ago. ^^ And I didn't even come to think you would curse much...I mean yeah of course you curse sometimes everybody does it it's a emotional thing to do at times and it is also human. I for the fact like it more when writers use cursing in there stories cause it makes them more real sometimes...not in all stories but I don't mind the Hero telling the Baddie to go f*** themselves. XD
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
To me it's more descriptive than anything else. Would never have pegged it as a curse word. I head canon Raph and Casey as guys who curse - they are more emotional and it's a way to really express themselves. I can see either or both of them telling the Purple Dragons to kiss their a**es good-bye. :lol:
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Keras-Lucar Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016
yeah I can see that too. XD or think about the smut fic without a single curse word. It seems like a thing out of Family Guy to me. ^^
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ScribbledInCrayon Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
lol! Well if douche bothers whoever this is, chances are good they aren't reading my fic. Raph and Casey together = casual swearing in general. Though I did get creative with Donnie, he swears using the periodic table of elements. Mikey pretty much never swears.  Leo definitely doesn't. :P 

Eh, I get the point that there are people out there who just don't like swearing, in conversation or in writing. More power to them, I guess, that's their thing, and it's fine. To each their own, and all that. But the thing is you can't expect everyone else in the world to cater to that, or to accomidate your own preferences on this or that either. Sure, censoring yourself in certain situations is a good thing, like around kids, or at work, and school, etc... etc... But a complete stranger online? Probably not. I mean it'd be one thing if you were calling this person a douche lol! But you weren't, so it wasn't something I can really see as being offensive.

Regardless, I don't get why this person you talked to would be all - let's chat! - like right after pulling the "I'm offended by your language" card. Seems weird to me, but I could be wrong. Maybe they just wanted to get to know you a little better, and said what they said in the hopes that it wouldn't bother you? I have no idea. Still, I think it's better to just be you, and do what you do. 
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
Could you imagine a night on the town with Raph and Casey? Their combined language could probably peel paint off the side of a barn. :XD:

Trying to avoid swear words in written works or in comments or blogs is unrealistic.  Besides, it's pretty goofy to start right in lecturing someone about one questionable word, especially if you don't know the person at all and never will. Part of the appeal of the internet is to be able to be yourself without the expectations you're required to adhere to in regular life.

If you don't like someone's speech patterns, why would you want to keep talking to them? That makes no sense.
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ScribbledInCrayon Featured By Owner Edited Jul 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
lol! Yup! Even worse if they've been drinking. :P 

True, but people also have that weird way of actively looking for stuff to get their panties in a twist over too. Plus there are those who unintentionally wind up just kind of walking right into it. I've seen comments before on fics where like twelve chapters in someone finally drops an f-bomb, and a commenter had an issue with it, since up until then there hadn't been anything like that in there. So I suppose it depends on the individual. Though you have a point, it is the internet, and there's a heck of a lot worse things out there than someone saying the word "douche" in casual conversation lol!

Eh, maybe they were just thinking it might be a casual swearing sort of thing. Lotta people out there are casual swearers, myself included. They mighta just wanted to chat, but also wanted to let you know stuff like that bothers them, and wasn't meaning to be uppity - just came off that way. Who knows? Still, whether or not you censor yourself is completely your call, and not for anyone else to decide for you.
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Blackdragon-sama Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
even tho we don't speak much, i still enjoy seeing you around and i love the conversations we do have <3

and yeah, cursing online is... an odd thing
me, personally, i don't mind reading it (i actually enjoy reading some well-placed or creative smutty mouth ;) )
i don't curse much, neither online nor offline, but it's mostly because i work with kids and i've worked hard to remove harsh curse words from my language, because i am bad at censoring myself, so having a mild general language is easiest XD
(i often exchange curse words with harmless/cute/silly alternatives)
i think you should feel free to use curse words in "appropriate" settings freely (which is super hard to explain... i mean basically in every setting in which you're not yelling political incorrect terms AT people to humiliate or anger them)

....the more i write, the weirder this gets, so i'll stop.

potty-mouth on, my friend!
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I'm probably going to be changing my ISP to try to get better service at home. Skype lags or doesn't respond and makes it hard for me to chat with people and I blame that on my DSL. I want to be able to chat with you more often. We have projects!

I don't curse much in real life either. It's out of place at work (unless I'm mad at one of the machines). I don't do it much online either. It's in my stories because certain characters are just natural at it. I certainly didn't see 'douche' as a curse word and I don't want to run to the urban dictionary every time I type out a reply. I guess I'll save the lengthy ones for people I know, just to be on the safe side. ;)
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Blackdragon-sama Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
i'd love to chat more <3
so good luck with getting skype all sorted out / your internet fixed
if it doesn't work, i can get another program, if something else works better for you :)

may i ask what your work is?
i'm not sure if i know and just forgot XD

yeah, it's starting to get ridiculous with how sensitive people are being...
i don't mean to de-value people who have triggers or who are seriously upset with certain topics...
but it slowly turns into a trend where everyone needs something they can get "triggered" by and people start un-learning how to just deal with life.
in all honesty, i'm not gonna pussyfoot around each and every person just IN CASE someone has delicate sensibilities and feels offended by what most people consider "normal, everyday language".
again, if there's some real reason behind it, completely fine, but then i expect people to STILL have enough responsibility to openly say it and actively try to avoid their triggers, instead of just expecting everyone else to magically know about them and protect them / do the work FOR them
because THAT kind of drama might just trigger ME
^^;

ugh... okay, sorry, this turned into a ramble
tl;dr, triggering things are completely valid. being an over-sensitive internetbaby is not.
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Cheesebad20 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Eh, to each their own.
Some people uses curses all the time, some never. While I don't think it was wrong of the reader to express their preference, I do think it was odd they then wanted to chat with you.
I understand wishing to be able to express yourself freely, the tough part is finding the right person to chat to.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
That reader felt the need to say they don't like cursing and that's their prerogative. If they leave a comment on a fic, I'll be really careful with my language - probably just stick to the standard "Thank you" and be done with it. Not going to be chatting them up though. I'd be too uncomfortable trying to watch every single word.
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Cheesebad20 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Honestly I would probably do the same.
Deviantarts already gotta enough rules to abide by, no need to sensor yourself when reply to comments.
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EeveeFan24 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016
Wait…. WHAT! They were complaining about you using the word "Douche". Are THAT old fashioned? That isn't even a curse word anyway. It can be used in a demeaning way but still. It's your work of art, do as you want. If that person didn't like it then they shouldn't have read. Demanding that someone change to suite them is ridiculous and rude as hell.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I don't drop random curse words in my replies and didn't consider 'douche' to be one. I figured it was the best way to describe how Raph was behaving. I was pretty amazed to see their reply pop up and basically castigate me for one word. It is pretty rude.
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EeveeFan24 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
That's because it isn't a curse word. My mom hates when I say crap because she says its a curse word and yet she says every curse word under the sun. They are just old fashioned, either that or being hypocritical. I probably wouldn't have been so nice about it as you were. I have a bad habit of saying what is on my mind even if it doesn't come out clearly. Raph requires you to get creative with your words when describing him or his actions. It's your stories you can do what ever you want with them. I and several people I know love your work the way it is. If that person doesn't like reading it because of certain words you happen to use in order to get the right effect or feel in the story then by all things TMNT related DON'T READ IT. How hard is it to over look words you don't like in a story or book. What in the world does that person do with the news then!?
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NeatTea Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
she needs to shut the fuck up XD and let ''douche'' be free!
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
Set all the curse words free! Stop holding them prisoner!
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Butterflexy1231 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Forget them. Besides you don't have to take them up on the offer. You're righr, you are an adult. Besides curse words are fun lol.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
The person didn't like my manner of speech, so how in the world did they think we'd ever be able to chat? I find that way of thinking something of a conundrum.
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Butterflexy1231 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I find it slightly amusing. But yes I see your point
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ChiakiAngel Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016
Wow, needless to say, I have no idea how the word 'douche' could be considered a curse word, so that's news to me. XD
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I wouldn't have thought it a curse word either.  Color me astonished.
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katstories Featured By Owner Edited Jul 15, 2016
Growing up in an Italian family I heard curse words and full descriptive foul language sentences in two languages.  My personal favorite is Grandmas "you have the face of a coffee pot," in Italian...a line I still use today.

In our home fuck was a verb, noun, adverb, conjunction and descriptor, etc.  It it was a nice day it was a fuckin nice day, if she had some nice clothes she was wearing some fucking nice clothes...you get my point.  That colorful aspect of my childhood has carried over into motherhood and my daughter now hears a lot of the same dialogue come from me that came from (and still comes from) my Mom.  She's desensitized to it and yet understands perfectly that these are curse words that only adults can use and when you're old enough (that golden age of 13) then you can use them, until then it's soap in the mouth.  (Just like my Mom did to me, nice to see the hypercritical world goes around.) 

Where was I going with this....Oh yea.
Now with that being said, I have a girlfriend of mine who absolutely will not cuss, not even after dropping a full teapot on her foot and breaking her toe.  She was wasn't even creative, like my Mom's "Sugar, Honey, Iced, Tea," not a single curse word came out of her mouth.  When Sues around, I don't cuss, it's something she doesn't like, it makes her real uncomfortable and she's got her own nine year old daughter, because she was raised in a strict household.  I edit myself because I love the girl and our kids are attached at the hip.  So with that being said, yea we can police ourselves but honestly, I'm not going to do it for a stranger.

And for those who want to know....Hai la faccia di una caffettiera
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I grew up in a two language family as well. My grandparents were fond of "may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits" and "curse your daddy".  :XD:

Didn't hear a lot of curse worse as a kid but when I hit high school I learned them all. I did not carry them home with me. It was fine for dad to spill a few, but if any slipped from my mouth I'd either be eating soap, or my mouth would be in no condition to eat.

I police my language in real life too, but I'm human and when aggravated a few choice things slip out.  I've learned that in the business world it's not only unprofessional to spit out curse words, it makes you sound uneducated.  When I'm online, I feel like I should be able to express myself with whatever words are appropriate. If someone doesn't like my speech pattern, they don't have to read what I have to say. Simple.
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katstories Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016
I remember the "fleas" curse too.

No, cussing in the business world is always a no no.  Unprofessional and can get you slapped with harassment or unsafe/hostile work environment.

Though there have been some studies out lately that show that cussing does not make you sound uneducated. 

www.usnews.com/news/articles/2…

Funny..
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016
I need to print that article and make copies for all of my colleagues.  There are times in meetings where I would love to say exactly what's going through my head. :XD:
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KaguriaKitsune Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Not to totally miss the point but..THERE ARE CHAT GROUPS!? Also it's Raph is there's not a curse from, for, or about him within a paragraph then I personally think it's lacking.
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
If I write a fic where Raph doesn't curse, I feel it's necessary to mention that in the description. :XD: I love it when someone tells me the TMNT don't curse. I always respond with "Please go read the original Mirage comics. Get back to me after that."
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KaguriaKitsune Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I always say the shell they don't!
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MsObscure Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2016
If the fic is PG 13 or higher, you can tell that commenter to sod off! If you read a fic that has a certain rating, cuss-words will be included in that rating. Do these people go to a movie and then write a complaint to the director after like "Dear Tarantino, I loved Django Unchaned, such a strong passionate story with a dash of humor and a brilliant cast! But could you ease up on the cussing in your next movie? It made me feel a bit uncomfortable..."
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Hummerhouse Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016
I wondered several things when I read that comment. One was, how is this person even reading fan fiction? If they don't care for swearing, they're kind of limited. Two was, why are they on the internet at all? Obviously not mature enough. And yeah, don't lecture people you don't know on the way they speak. As far as I know, there are no job openings for the speech police and it's certainly not a paid gig.
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RavenshellRorschach Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same people who took their kid to see Deadpool and then were so incensed at the adult content.  Eyeroll Asari Emoticon
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